SOTD #650: puRRil vaazh from Thiruvasagam

[Guest]

Talking about pronunciation IR is one of the best we have. The track 5 is full of Mallu accent as far as the female voices are concerned. Naan has been pronounced as "Gnaan". The male voices are much better. If Mr bb considers track 5 as the best example of Tamil pronunciation then either he is not a Tamilian or if he is then lord save our land !
Track 1 sung by IR is one of the best examples of how close IR comes to the perfect combination of feeling and music. But I wont be surprised if the new generation considers "Alaipayuthe" style Tamil pronunciation as "Sanga Tamil" ! We must first get rid of the Madras school boys approach to Tamil Music. To listen to authentic Tamil, move out of Madras guys. Thank God IR sang 5 tracks; it would have been better if had sung the 5th track too.

[bb]

If Mr bb considers track 5 as the best example of Tamil pronunciation then either he is not a Tamilian or if he is then lord save our land

I didn't say anything like that, so don't put words in my mouth. I have no problems with IR's pronounciation.

[music_fan1]

Greetings to everyone:
I am writing this from Toronto. For the last few days I was trying to get the "original" Thiruvasagam CD from the local stores here, sad to say none of them have it. BUT they are selling the pirated copies for CAD$ 5. I am very sad and preety upset. I mentioned my dissapointments with the shop keepers. Obvisouly they care less. not one store..Toronto's 3 popular Tamil Video/Audio stores doing the same thing.
My Question is? Is this project legaly registered? Copyright !!!
If so can someone do something about such activities?
It is very sad, People have gone through so much to get this projet done selling their properties, putting forward all their life time savings...
I am determined to get the original and original only. I don't know why they did not market the CD here.
I have no problem mentioning the names of the Stores.
As Tamils we should appriciate the boldness and courage of people like IR and all those involved in bringing up Thiruvasagam in simple form for us.

I brought this to the attention of Dr. Shankar Kumar (Co-ordinator - USA for TIS) through TFMPAGE.com

Here are the two responses I got:

From: TISK on Tue Jul 19 17:39:04 2005. [Full View]

Thank you! I will attend to this and will let you know soon.

In the meantime, pl. get in touch with Mr.Dhushyanth at dushyg@gmail.com. You can get his details from www.tis-usa.com at the order page under 'volunteer distributors' for your copy. YIA

From: njv on Tue Jul 19 20:53:11 2005.

emjay ,

They are pirated version. Original version will be available from Ayngaran this week. Since we had lot of hurdles to properly market TIS across the globe, some greedy people decided to do on their own way. So its a shame.

Please do mention the name of the stores or atleast PM me. I will let Ayngaran know this. Alternatively you can call Ayngaran at 416-266-5566


Hope this helps!!!!

[sshriyan]

I'm very sad to hear that, but not surprised, Priration is a biggest problem these days, the main issue I think people are not worried about the quality of the work and effort they put on. I heard in Dallas when they had this Tamil conference to release this CD, 2 guys were selling DVD's the guys who was selling the original called the police and they arrested the guys who's selling the pirated ones, I think we should teach a lesson to all these people.

Top of that I think we should educate the people about quality of DVD vs. VCD, copying VCD stuff in DVD etc. Almost all the Indian stores here in US have pirated DVD's and people are fine with it, they jut want to see the movie doesn't matter how clear it is.

May be we should post an article about these in our main forum page.

[music_fan1]

Talking about pronunciation IR is one of the best we have. The track 5 is full of Mallu accent as far as the female voices are concerned. Naan has been pronounced as "Gnaan". The male voices are much better. If Mr bb considers track 5 as the best example of Tamil pronunciation then either he is not a Tamilian or if he is then lord save our land !
Track 1 sung by IR is one of the best examples of how close IR comes to the perfect combination of feeling and music. But I wont be surprised if the new generation considers "Alaipayuthe" style Tamil pronunciation as "Sanga Tamil" ! We must first get rid of the Madras school boys approach to Tamil Music. To listen to authentic Tamil, move out of Madras guys. Thank God IR sang 5 tracks; it would have been better if had sung the 5th track too.

Yes, I agree. I am glad that he sung all the 5 tracks. Initially, I was skeptical about Bhava singing Track 03. But, she did a wonderful job too.
"Puli kku pirandhadhu poonai aagadhu"!!

Yes, it has become a fashion to want "Tamilish" style. To satisfy "these" folks, quality of TFM has been pulled to its ALL TIME LOW. Give us some space in TiS, at least!!

[Guest]

Dear all,
Here is my take on this. Pl. bear with me!

Forget about the experts!
TbI was not made for experts!
it was conceived and composed by an expert for the common man!
that's how TbI should be approached.
If you go with your critical lenses and start analyzing it you will find 101 holes and everyone may appear to be legitimate and valid.
But, that was NOT the purpose of this great album.
Scholars already know Thiruvasagam; they need not be introduced to this.
Music experts have already heard many such classics; it is not to impress them that this was composed.
Glimpses of such fine tunings have already been introduced by IIR in his film songs and such experts may find similar tunes in this album to over 100 movies.
But, it is for the common man who hitherto hasn't known Thiruvasagam, its great lyrics, its adaptability to such catchy tunes, its richness to stay fresh even after mixing it with western orchestra, the clarity of each word exponently brought out by IIR with his soulful rendering, the divinity which could be extracted even from western musicians, be it a singer, a chorus or the orchesrta... these are the acheivements of TbI which catches the 'common man' and make him raise his collar in pride to see his mother tongue piece able to bring out the feelings within him on the very first hearing itself.
No one can, however expert he/she may be, deny the awe that surrounds him/ her when they heard it for the first time and only later, much later, that they started to feel those negative pointers that they are able to make out.
it is very interesting to note that all of them can only say the same few things.
Do you think IIR was not aware of this?
being an expert by himself, won't he have felt the same things that others pointed out?
It is that extra feeling, joy, awe, paravasam, that he must have felt overall when he heard the final version, that must have prompted him to send out as it is felling confident that the ordinary man will also feel the same and also would have felt blessed to have been introduced to such music in his/her lifetime.
having said all these, i am not trying to side with IIr but appeal to your senses to get out of your 'expert' mindset and come down to earth and look at this from a common man's view point! that's all i am asking.

For example,
Let us take the second song:
Leave alone all the nicest orchestration, pitfalls etc. etc. and try to visualize that song in this fashion as it appeared to me.
Just start the song and close your eyes and try to visualize a river taking its origin drop by drop and as the song progresses, try to follow along with that river's course, walk along with the river,-- its stagnating moments, gathering momentum moments, flowing moments, smooth sailing moments, little drops thru the rocks, slight increase in its force and finally the big falls [aruvi] ending its journey gleefully towards the great ocean[GOD] --and try to simulate a spiritual as well as natural experience!
You will understand what I mean!
I have said enough1
Thanks.
YIA!!
PL. ORDER THAT EXTRA CD FROM US!![www.tis-usa.com]

[music_fan1]

Guest (YIA),

Super!! That was well articulated reply!!!

Happy TbI !!!!

[Maya Shankar]

Hi!

I came across this group just now. Very interesting exchange on IR's TIS album. Even as a trained singer since a very young age, I usually look for the effect a piece of work has on me. In other words, I try not to miss the forest for the trees. Having said that, I must admit I am usually skeptical about fusion music. But, I have tremendous respect for IR as I am fond of many of his songs even with my limited exposure, which as a mezzo- soprano I myself sing. So I bought the CD.

As a Delhiite during my formative years, I knew nothing about Tiruvachagam. Now, as a New Yorker, I plan to get my hands on a copy. I listened to it with an open mind. I cannot tell you how much I felt moved by track no. 5. I think once I fully understand the the words and the meaning behind them, I will enjoy the CD a lot more.

It's true that IR's voice doesn't sound like a trained voice, nor can it produce gamakams or travel swiflty, but the meditative quality that the songs are charactrerized by, definitely suits the purpose behind the CD. IMO, listening to it, is meant to be a spiritual experience and it accomplishes this beautifully.

Just my 2 cents'

MS

[music_fan1]

Dear All,

I live in Detroit, MI. We are trying to co-ordinate here to play TbI (Track 01 & 02) in "The Hindu Temple" @ Canton soon. This way, we can give devotees a listening experience. I am sure, once they hear, they will throng to buy 'em. Just thought of sharing in the forum so that if you think it is a good idea, you can do in your area as well.

If you have any suggestions of how to do (BEST POSSIBLE WAY) the above, please share.

Also, any volunteers from MI are appreciated. (My PM: mohanjraman@gmail.com)

-eMJay

[Guest]

All those objective posts from the "Guest" with the faithful YIA signature would have been balanced on the face of it.......until the message to "get one more copy of the CD". Nothing wrong with that - he has put in his money and he wants to recover it. However, let's not kid ourselves about the motive behind that "objective" message.

I fail to understand this - who made the decision that TbI was meant for a particular group and not for a different segment? What is this baloney that it is meant for the "common man" and not for the experts? Did the common man ask for a 120 strong orchestra from Hungary or recording by Richard King or lyrics (and how simple they are) by Stephen Schwartz? (BTW, if the "common man" is R.K.Lakshman's creation then paavam! andha appaaviya indha vambukku izhukkaadheenga)

Nobody disputed that TbI is a good album. It has just fallen short of expectations for some people. What is so wrong about that? Why does IR's work be above criticism merely because he gave his usual "vague philosophical/spiritual humbug" or the fact that some people have personal stakes make this a sacred cow?

When I pay $15+ I expect quality - especially with all the hype about how this is a "path breaking one of a kind" effort. If you are into seventh heven listening to IR's voice, more power to you. I have every right to crib that it is an unwanted "dhristi" for the album. And I am not the only one who feels that way - a lot of experts, music lovers, and even "common men" feel that way. You may think that it was IR's bhakthi which encouraged him to sing. And I believe it was his ego which did not let him see beyond himself and Bhavatharini. His "janma payan", isaikku thondu, inspired by maaNikka vaasagar, are all marketing gimmicks to convince the promoters about this project - and now the promoters are trying to sell us about how great this is - with the favorite tag line - get one more copy :) :) yEnyaa? veettilE rendu stereo system la simultaneous aaga kEttaal innum engaLai pOnra common man (read it as iLichcha vaayan) kku idhan mahimai innum adhigamaaga puriyumaa?

[Guest]

Regarding the last paragraph from the Guest asking us to listen to the second song in a particular way.....river flowing...drops of water...etc. etc.. - I tried doing this with 'innisai paadi varum" by S.A.Rajkumar (yep! all the versions including the instrumentals played on a continuous loop). I have attained my janma payan thanks to SAR. No more rebirths as cockroach for me. adhanaal thaan solgirEn - puRRil vaazh aravum anjEn!

[New Guest]

I strongly object to Mr.Guest's postings and attitude. I am referring to 'last' guest in this thread. IR's voice ...and dhrishti ? I thought the people who got transported to another paradigm where that. That is the first counter. Now, what next.......? Your dig at the 'waterfall' analogy.... I vehemently object to your take on this. Where is selling in this ? Call it self-deception. For instance, I can state that SAR's 'ethO oru pAttu' as an expression of supreme humility....even for himself it is ethO oru pAttu...that is, if I want to convince myself of the song's right to occupy some space in the world of music. There is something though that is sticking out for special attention, if this is the quality of singing that sheer Bhakthi can evoke.......what if this were a normal / run of the mill song?......frightening.

[Murali Venkatraman]

Maya shankar :

Welcome to dhool. One request : Can you please sign as Maya instead of MS which happens to be my login name ?

To all anonymous guests:

Please login and post or atleast provide a name for non-login posts so that those who reply back may find it easy to address. Or if the intention is not to get a reply or criticizm, please post with appropriate name and mention clearly that you would not want to be critiqued. Posting under anonymity is fine but please do not use that as a shield to protect yourself after spilling the beans. It shows the forum in bad light.

[Newest Guest]

MS, thanks for the criticizm....ooops criticism.

[madhavan1947@yahoo.com]

I am not going to say much , just to add what you guys said, its all great ,but when i downloaded the lyrics of "Thirivasakam" and tried to listen the songs with those lyrics, songs werent sequential , or am i missing something?

here is the lyrics

http://www.shaivam.org/tamil/thivach1.pdf
http://www.shaivam.org/tamil/thivach2.pdf

i am not sure, it should be like this or you can do in whatever format..


but the best is ,
Hai,
You Can only follow the thiruvasagam if you buy the original CD with that you can get a lyrics book
regards


imaippozudhum en nenychil nINgAdhAn thAL vAzga...

Verdict:

"Thiruvasakathuku Urukar Oru vasakathukum Urukar..."

[gpathy]

First of all, this is a great service to Thiruvasagam. There is no doubt thiruvasagam, and Saiva Siddhanta will get nourished by this great contribution. It certainly evokes interest in the text and the philosophy. The global effort involved should certainly create more awareness.. all this for the better of humanity than that of Thiruvasagam.

The songs definitely have the signs of the outpourings of a realised soul, we can see how involved IR has been in trying to select some the finest verses and sung them mostly himself. His earlier songs such as Geetanjali(not the movie by the same name) and the famous Janani-Janani song, certainly got the color due to his singing them. so I guess we need not dwell too much on why others did not sing the songs etc.

The songs have all the different forms, from the melody of the 'Puttril Vazh', to the symphonic(?) 'Poyya Vinaye'. wonderful compositions, soothing the soul. the more you listen the more the soul melts.

Now, from a devotional(spiritual/philosophical etc.) standpoint, on how do we use this music? Generally devotional songs are better listened with simple tunes, rocking the soul gently than more intellectual inquiries. Simple repititive tunes, conditioning the mind, the song 'puttril vazh', 'poovar senni mannan', are of that nature, but other songs such as 'poyya vinai' .. I am not sure how to use this in a regular way(I mean in a routine), like you listen to 'Janani Janani'. some of the parts are quite dramatic, which makes it a bit difficult to keep your self in the intense meditative state. (this I am speaking purely from a spiritual aid point of view)

Finally from a layman's point of view, I am not able to understand why it cost that much for producing this? and why was it done at the places it was done? are such facilities, and English poets(not sure if that was really needed?) not available in India?(or is that a propaganda gimmic) and why not IR himself take up the responsiblity for producing it since he has mentioned that it is his purpose of his life to score music for Thiruvasagam) If Manikka vasagar had thought about economics or Thiagaraja for that matter, or any one of the innumerable creative minds, we wouldn't have those timeless creations. But again, I am askig this from a layman's view. maybe these cannot be done in India?

Anyhow, this is definitely a fantasic piece of work from IR. please buy original CDs and eliminate piracy.

Thiruchitrambalam!

--GS

[OISG]

[face=Times New Roman]Review by a person whose favourite MD is NOT Ilayaraja - starting with this submission (disclaimer!) i make an attempt to review this album in the light of 4 IR avatars viz..
1.A devout Saivaite
2.An exceptional WCM talent from India.
3.A Singer
4.A musician genuinely attempting a crossover to popularize global music

A remarkable work on (2) overcome his failings on the other 3 points. As a confirmed greenhorn and yet an avid listener of WCM, I completely enjoyed the WCM work. He has reached monumental heights. The chorals brilliant, the strings soul stirring with piccalos, oboes and flute offering magical musical moments. Taking cue from Srikanth's postings I would listen to this album just for the WCM arrangements and if possible remove the voice throughout and make an audio file for my home listeneing. Let me listen to Tiruvasagam from odhuvars. It is truly a feat that no Indian musician can achieve within a WCM framework. The Gospel influence is pretty perceptible but Gospel had always provided the strong roots for WCM. I shall forever remember the first WCM piece I heard "Sheep may safely graze" choral that I could relate to Bagawan SriKrishna at Gokulam with his "aanirai". That is for the harmony part.

PutRil vaazh is the only significant attempt at cross over in this album.IR has successfully managed to balance the melody and Harmony.Maand,thilang and Charukesi bits are brilliant(the sour part is his "idhudhan symphonyA" and his singing). I had always thought WCM can have a thilang or a Maand but cannot accommodate Charukesi (though Debussy has a Gopriya/Rishabapriya piece.Rishabapriya(62) being the prati Ma of 26th mela charukesi). The tune is so catchy that i am still humming it and I could attempt my crossover(!) from Thiruvasagam to Paasuram.....I was singing "oorilEn kaaNi illai" and "pachai maa malai poal meni" in the same tune and they fit fine.

Coming on to other 3 points where IR has failed, they collectively point at his failure as a professional.......

A failure of IR as a professional disturbs me most. The biggest of them was the poor homework on the choice of singers. I am sure, ARR, if at all he decides to make such an attempt, would have made umpteen visits to Chidambaram, Sri Lanka, Malaysia were saivam has strong base, to pick the singers who could sing Tiruvasagam, arrange for their basic training in WCM concepts to achieve the proper effects on crossover. Deadpan singers like Bavatharini, Unni, Madhu, Vijay have no place in this grand work. I would prefer to carry "maavadu" and "coffee powder" to Budapest instead of this maladroit lot.

Marketing, these days, has reached complex dimensions and this is where he has failed yet again. I think Tamil Mayyam has let him down. In the process the real damage is to IR himself and all his future attempts. The workforce in US and elsewhere in their 30s has a grand combination of SW and marketing professionals who are IR's die-hard fans as well. The whole process of donation collecting, someone telling the press about personal loans etc has left a bad taste. Kasi Medu Mariamman koil koozh uthum thiruvizha donation collection poal nadanthathu. See the national press coverage....pathetic. IR himeslf, played into the hands of jerks like S.Anand and the evil designs outlook magazine.

Why not a Sony or some other international label? A high profile advertising guru like Ravi Balakrishnan who repeatedly rips IR's tunes for his agency's offerings (without even a thanks) could have helped the launching, the marketing and other related stuff. Sony, who could make a monster out of an oaf like Abhijit Sawant would have launched this good product worldwide. Liaison work by people like Bharath Bala, Kanika, Sridhar Subramanian, Jayendra and Mani Ratnam would have worked wonders for this album. I am sure A.R.Rehman himself would have helped.

I could feel the "naan" part by IR in many places including the write-ups. Recalling the simple dialogue from "thiruviLayadal".TR Mahalingam's wife tells him" "naan""enadhu" endra vaarthaigaL namakedhaRku". I feel IR could have avoided

Yours obediently & humbly,

His Highness Dr. ILayaraja (Maestro)

signatures. That is for the saivaite part.

Overall I feel IR has made a good and sincere start in his "back to basics (WCM)" exercise. May God bless him![/face]

[vijay]

OISG, that was balanced and well-written. I listened to Putril Vaazh closely only yesterday after being stuck in the Sudhdhadhanyaasi/Sumanesaranjani delight pooveru konum for quite some time. I enjoyed that stanza in Tilang as well. The pieces in between the stanzas work well to ease the transition from one scale to another. You almost dont realize it at all despite his singing.

I agree with your opinions on the singers. I am wondering who else from the TFM/carnatic arena would have been the best choice for this.(so that I can imagine the tunes in their voice)

[OISG]

[face=Times New Roman]Among the known lot I would have chosen 3 male singers to sing as chorus instead of IR.

P Jayachandran
Rajkumar bharathi
Deepan Chakravarthy

Substitutes : shreenivas and Karthik

A singer like Siva chidamabaram with a typical vallina accent ,the global audience may take it for bad singing. (Singers Sanjay Subramanian or a lighter Vijay siva may have ruined the show with a VS Ragavan-like Brahmin pronounciation.)PJ's voice would lend the desired depth and emotion,RKB and DC with good tamil pronounciation will reduce the even the slightest Malpronounciation.....i mean mallu pronounciation.

Female lead should have been VJ supported by Anuradha Sriram. [/face]

[vijay]

OISG, interesting choices. Atleast you seem to be pretty much clear about whom you want to sing :-) I like Jayachandran, although right now he is better off rendering his voice as part of the chorus. I imagined OS Arun's voice sometime back but not sure about his diction. The rendition doesnt need a heavy carnatic style(or the "Brahmin" pronunciation you are referring to) and that might be a deterrent.

[Guest]

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[Guest]

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[Da Vinci]

OISG,

That was a nice comment on the album. I liked particularly the part :

“Let me listen to Tiruvasagam from odhuvars. It is truly a feat that no Indian musician can achieve within a WCM framework.”

I don’t believe that Music is a universal language. Its higher forms (I don’t care if I am called an Elitist) have roots in culture and though it is not blasphemy to mix one with another, it can only be a matter of talent (or genius) if one did that without cacophony. I would turn to an Odhuvar who has the spirit of the poetry recorded in his gene than to any such novel attempts at it.

“I am sure, ARR, if at all he decides to make such an attempt, would have made umpteen visits to Chidambaram, Sri Lanka, Malaysia were saivam has strong base, to pick the singers who could sing Tiruvasagam, arrange for their basic training in WCM concepts to achieve the proper effects on crossover.”

I am surprised that you think AR Rahman would have run pillar to post to find singers for this kind of an album. His very poor choice of singers who sing so badly in Tamil speaks differently of him. I am not a fan of either (Ilayaraja or Rahman) but do not dislike them both either. So, let me not be understood that I am defending one or the other. Rahman has his own eccentricity which is not less, not more than what we see in Ilayaraja, and I think it makes better sense to consider them for what they are.


PS : Just curious to know if your screen name means anything. Somehow the OIGS (On Indian Government Service ? ) mark on those thick brown covers come to my mind all the time when I see your screen name :D

[Guest]

OISG,

Nice points.

I just want to add a few points to your feeling that 'should you want to listen to thiruvaasagam you would go to Odhuvaars'.

It is because, I guess, you (add me too in the list) want to completely absorb the feel, meaning of those sacred hymns. If one feels that, then it means that person is in the plane of spirituality (may be for that moment). So, to appreciate the meaning of the hymns one doesn't need the catalyst/tool called full-fledged music (accompanied by instruments). Simple singing would do. Even we would totally accept any off-key singing (if at all) from those Odhuvaars. It is simply because our priority doesn't lie in musical aspect of that singing.

But at the same time assume that I am not in that spiritual plane (many a moment I am like that only). Still I would need to get dissolved in a plesantary, preferrably a spiritual thing (because I am basically interested in spiritual, cultural and religious things). In that case, a nice musical presentation would aid me, that nice music should have a good backing of lyrics that takes me to higher level. In such situations as Da Vinci stated, I would like the presentation that is not a complete alien to my liking which is rooted in my culture (because of heridity or gene or brought-up or whatever it is). For such situations, a presentation like TiS would be helpful to me.

Yes, as a layman, even I felt that the choice of singers are not apt for this devotional album.

It is no similar to a piththukuLi murugadass (or) a seerkaazhi (or) sulamangalam sisters (or) SPB (or) TMS devotional albums. Their's are like Odhuvaar's singing. I do not mind musical aspects slippage (if any) in them. However TiS is bit different from them. And I cannot agree more than to your choice of PJ (believe me I felt the same sometime back. I also thought about 50s TMS, its just a nostalgia and KJY, worried about his pronunciation of L. Finally thought PJ would be suitable). But for female singers I thought a PS or KSC would be suitable (but somehow i think anuradha sriram's would do that).

But despite these, being a layman in both music as well as thiruvaasagam, I would definitely say that TiS has moved me a lot.

[Kupps]

That was me.

[Guest]

TYPO

but somehow i think anuradha sriram's would do that

but somehow i dont think anuradha sriram would do that.


-Kupps

[Prathee]

[face=Comic Sans MS][/face]

THIRUVASAGAM IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA OF WORK GENERATED FROM IR.
There is no doubt in this …

Can say..Music is an entertaining tool ..more than saying as an art.. coz 75% of the people are music-illiterate’s and we don’wanna protocols for pleasing music ..all we need is heart throbbing music which brings peace to mind and heart.. and bring out from stress..

Nothing in this world is perfect and all the most beautiful things have errors and that errors are giving a better try in the next attempt…

As music_fan1 said ( reflected most of my views.. so I don wanna repeat).. SPB’s voice is majestic but IR’s voice is emotional(can feel a completeness and peace) I wud like to mention the song…
“Then pandi cheemayileee” from nayagan..

am damn sure.. can’t list people who dint get tears after hearing this song… just MUTE u’r TV and watch that scene u wont get that much feel… his voice is a plus … to dat shot

people trying to criticize about Thiruvasagam are making others to know that they too know about music.. and have a knowledge about instruments and make the difference between symphony and oratorio.. vat I feel is the criticizers … talk more abt his family and IR….than his music.. if anything wrong ..if a composer sings his own .. trace…??

if u people(Maestro sabarivasan, Maestro BB..etc…) feel that he did an imperfect work.. THEN WHY CAN’T U CREATE SUCH WHAT U FEEL AND CRITICIZED… Will u change u’r mannerism and style often…

some people are very curious in marking the timings in the tracks of thiruvasagam and the faults in every sec’s of it … they can also show a little bit interest in listening to the songs…

….there is nothing wrong in using his flavors from his past work( he’s absolutely not like other composers …who steal pieces from an Italian/Spanish or any unknown languages which r away from us.. ) ..it’s his own way and style.. each and everyone has his identity

Is it possible to expect a Manirathnam movie without dull lightings or single worded dialogs??--NEVER
Is it Possible to watch a brain-chewing story without confusion in KB’s work?? –
NEVER
Shankar’s movie without a graphics or amazing backgrounds troops in songs?? –NEVER

Try to be appreciative to all works.. as a tamilian we shud be proud about his innovative work ....who made even kids to turn on that side(as Mr.Dinakaran said…) ..

So PLZ..stop criticizing to others work and try to appreciate or just say u’r opinion and don’t review others work ..if u can start a new one……

Thanx,
Prathee

[TruthMan]

Can some one tell me the Raagam when "Kiliyanar Kilari Anjen" is sung in "Putril Vazh Aravum"? Every piece is composed with different note combinations. Would appreciate if every raagam is listed.

Thanks.

[Rajiv Subrahmanyam]

bb, I am surprised that you glossed over the absolutely mindblowing acapella between 12:50 and 14:23 in track 2. to me, that was the highlight of the whole album.

[Peter Pan]

KiLiyanaar ... line is in the raga, "Thilang"