SOTD #1000: Oraayiram kaRpanai from Ezhaikkum kaalam varum

[mynah_X]

Congrats u all Dhool team !
Behind the radiance and glory of the celebration, I can see the untiring and dedicative work of BB,Sara,udhaya,MS and Other commentators and gladiators ?! :wink:

"A diligent work in a deliberate manner"


btw
(Aayiramaavadhu paadal IR -kku oru Oscar maadhiri nachchinnu pOduveengannu nambi vanthEn,..
...saachchipputtaanga machchaan.... :( )

[Lokesh]

No activity again !!

[Anniyan]

How the SOTD1000 has a striking semblance to IR's Chinnappura ondru of Anbey Sangeetha, I always wonder! Good choice of song for a momentous occasion!

At this time of celebration, I would suggest that, for a forum having so many knowledgeable and discerning posters around, dhool.com be restricted to songs of bygone era only, i e., from the 1940s to 80s.

Thanks for all who have made good references about me here.

[GK]

Congratulations to Balaji and the Dhool team. I am happy that the site has achieved this milestone. Congratulations once again.!

[rajsrini]

Romba yosichu yosichu brain rack panni funny-a edhavadhu ezhudhanumnu wait panni...
I settle for a
" Congrats Udhaya, MS, and most of all Saravanan and BB and thanks for enriching our lives with a wonderful platform."

so dull a comment - heck, the story of my participation in Dhool :-)

[OISG]

appadiyE aguga BB :)

Like Anniyan has pointed out the Chinnapura feel i end up mixing with VK's another composition from Nangooram "Oru paarvai" and IR's "Mamallan ennai konjum " & "meladyai naan maravo" lines from "Oru kadhal devadhai".

The song is nice selection despite my earlier remark on "aayiram".

Vengayam, CPM-CPI ..veru nalla udharanam kidikkavillya :shock:

I have a request to enhance my pro-labour image...."Vervai thuligaLe pesungaL" from Nyayam ketkirom.

BB, again thanks. It is a fantastic journey. No one could have channelized Saravanan's passion ,better.

[Udhaya]

தூள் எனக்கு
ஆயிரம் கிளைகள் விரித்தாடும்
ஆலமரத்தடி

என் இசைத்தேனை அதிகரித்து
அடைகாத்து வரும்
தேன்கூடு

கை விரல்கள் தொழில் புரிய
காதுகள் மட்டும் திருடித் திங்கும்
திருட்டுக் கனி

என் இசைக் கோவில் அவதாரங்களின்
கொலு வரிசை
என் நினைவுக்கற்களின்
பின்னணி முலாம்

என் ரசனையின் நாட்குறிப்பு
என் பித்தின் புலனாய்வு
என் பக்தியின் பரிகாசம்
என் அறியாமையின் அறிவிப்பு
என் பயணத்தின் மனப்பாடம்
என் திரவியத் திரைகடல்
என் நட்பின் துறைமுகம்

[msr]

தூல் குழுவினருக்கும் SOTD வாசகர்களுக்கும் என் வாழ்த்துக்கள்!

தமிழ் திரையிசையைப் பற்றியும், பொதுவாக இசையைப் பற்றியும் SOTDயைப் படித்து நான் அறிந்து கொண்ட விஷயங்கள் பல. அதற்கு என் மனமார்ந்த நன்றி.


வளர்க உங்கள் பணி!
அன்புடன்
இரவி

[vengayam]

OISG,
Sari --- DMK-AIADMK pola ippa Ok :lol:

Saravanan,
Un due diligence innumaa mudiyavillai :?

[Ragapravaham Sundar]

Venerable Kumar

When I read recently once again Saravanan’s Malarum Ninaivugal series on V Kumar I was so impressed by his narrative (as always). As I felt the time is appropriate on SOTD 1000 celebrations, incidentally with a VK song, I thought it fit to share with you my meetings with VK.

The human side of VK is also as fascinating as his melodies from my personal experiences with the distinguished composer of merit. I was indeed among the fortunate few who had met and discussed the songs composed by him on three occasions.

The first one, when I was in late teens, quite precisely the time Nadagamey ulagam was released and the songs became hits , some time in 1979. I had seen VK in many DD Mellisai programmes waving his hands conducting the orchestra. Probably VK was the only MD who was actively working for films and simultaneously conducting light music programmes for Doordarshan and this had aroused my curiosity to meet him one day. I got his address from the telephone directory and confirmed it . VK family was in Saravana (Mudali) street , (the Saravana connections had started then itself), T Nagar. Out of curiosity to see a music director and talk to him for the first time, I just gatecrashed his residence. It was Mrs. Swarna who received me first. I introduced me as … ‘avarudaiya rasigan, avarkitta konjam pEsanum “. Swarna must have had some misgivings in admitting a boy inside but somehow conveyed the matter to VK who was inside. Ah! First time in my life I was meeting a music director! VK called me inside - his face showing no signs of curiosity or his apprehensions about the intentions of a stranger – “sollunga thambhi” . I started talking about just the sweetness of his songs in Neerkumizhi, Naanal, Edhirneechal, Major Chandrakant, Bommalattam (particularly Nee aada aada azhagu), Noottrukku nooru, Arangetram, Thaen sindhudhey vaanam, Annapoorani and finally about Naadagamey Ulagam. I was too young to talk the nuances in his compositions or the intricacies of orchestral arrangements in his songs but simply said very good melodies. When I mentioned about the shades of raag Maru Bihag in Sapthaswaram punnagaiyil kandEn, VK showed little interest and dismissed ..”enna pottu enna, padam odalaiye!”. I could not discuss further and I casually mentioned that I wanted to see one of his song recordings… how kind he was! …he called Prasad studios ….”namba friend (!) oruthar varuvaar …konjam ulla vittudunga”. He directed me to Prasad Studios. The noteworthy aspect here is that VK did not even check my credentials.

All alone, I went to Prasad Studios….and there ..aaha! I was in for a big surprise! the song recording was not his ….but it turned out to be that of IR! The song recording of Karaiyellam shenbagapoo…for the song Kalyan Raman Cuckoo raman…I had the opportunity to witness an IR recording unexpectedly though the song was of a very mediocre variety. But seeing IR’s orchestra, his composing, his way of dictating notes, the awe that his presence permeated in the ambience…the pin-drop silence in IR’s presence …I was dumb-struck throughout. SPB and SJ entering the studios, the song lyricist Gangai Amaran clad in black dhoti (on his pilgrimage trip to Sabharimala), SPB and GA engaging in banter, GA retorting back …(can one witness these scenes now?)…and all these I enjoyed thanks to the kind VK. Above all, I could engage in a small chat with that energetic but a serious assistant MD andha sivagami magan R Govardhan! RG showed a little surprise when I spoke about his songs. He told me, of all the songs he had worked with MSV-TKR he would cherish only ‘Oru naaL iravil kann urakkam pidikkavillai…(PS/Panathottam)... sweet memories.

Perhaps VK did not have his song recording that day but he did not even ask me to come another day for this. Throughout my conversation with VK, he remained a gentle, calm and a very soft-spoken person. A well-composed composer!

******

Here let me give you a brief account on the Light Music scene in Chennai in the 80s. With IR ruling the roost and churning out melody after melody in film after film that was released during the 80s, and with IR and SPB holding sway over both with the young and the old alike, and with actor Mohan seen in films holding a mike singing in orchestra, light music was a rage and there was this urge mainly with the youngsters to either start or join in an orchestra. The advent of Electronic key board synthesizer in the mid-80s with so many facilities within made conducting light music programmes much easier than before where conducting light music troupes was a very strenuous affair running after the instrument players, having repeated rehearsals, etc . The keyboard replaced the accordion, violins, flute, trumpet, saxophone and the shahnai and thus more than 50% of the orchestra it covered. What remained was mainly the rhythms section and and finding a few players was not all that difficult. Just a keyboard or two key boards, a lead guitar, drums and a tabla with just three singers constituted a light music troupe. The public address system was the only other essential accessory and several audio shops equipped themselves with the light music requirements and were in terrible demand. Many harmonium players started trying their hands at learning keyboard. And what started as college culturals by the Presidency college students Laxman and Mayilsamy, both mimicry artistes, by the overwhelming responses they received wherever they performed, formed a light music troupe under the name Laxman-Mayilsami sruti in 1987 and went on to become very popular within a year’s time. Enthused by the stupendous success of this duo within a short span of time every Tom, Dick and Harry started light music troupes and named Tom sruthi, Dick sruthi and Harry sruti a la L- M sruthi. To every aspirant who started a light music troupe, IR-SPB songs became the food and fodder that they consumed to their hearts’ content. Again, this gave rise to the proliferation of many light music troupes by amateurs then. But on the whole, the light music scene was very bright.

It was against this background that I wished to start a light music troupe but my idea right from the beginning was to present vintage melodies that I heard and enjoyed in Radio Ceylon to be alternated with IR’s latest hits and of course, raga-based. And this was in 1989. There was so much of encouragement from friends and well-wishers. Vidwan Madurai G S Mani introduced me to the audience during his programme on film music at Bharat Kalachar sabha run by the YGPs. Within the next few days the date for my inaugural programme was fixed. I attended some popular light music shows to gain first hand knowledge about the players and singers. Most troupes as already said had their repertoires filled with IR-SPB songs only. I engaged in small conversation with the troupe conductors in all the programmes I attended and sadly I found none to be very passionate about film music and lo! they looked at you a total stranger if you talked about songs of 50s. I was in a total fix then as to whom should I approach for regular professional instrument players as I did not know any one of them in close quarters. I felt I should consult a film music director. As I have already met him once, I thought of meeting VK and went to his house to consult him. VK was in the same Saravana Mudali Street house. This time also Mrs Swarna only received me. But how could she remember a boy who visited their house a decade back. Same reason I told…avarudaiya rasigan, avarai paarthu koncham pEsanum. I was indeed very lucky - each time I went to his house VK was available and no other visitor was also there. The same VK whom I met ten years back, no curiosity in his eyes. When I reminded him of our last meeting he just nodded recalling with a vague remembrance. I straightaway put before him…sir, I want to start a light music troupe, can you please allow your instrument players to come and play for my programmes also? He did not ask me any questions but immediately gave me a phone number to contact and assured me that this person would do the needful. I thanked him and returned. That, later I contacted the person, fixed up a grand orchestra, Ragapravaham was born,gave a grand inaugural programme on the 26th August 1989, is a different story. I sent an invitation to VK for my inaugural programme.

That was VK! Thinking back, how naïve I was to have approached an MD who had a glorious innings in tfm for help and how magnanimous he proved to be on both the occasions. Would any other MD have done this, I wonder.

******

The third time I met VK was in 1994.
This time as a consultant to a TV production unit which produced Parampariyathai Nokki for Sun TV. The same unit planned to produce a serial called Paalam. The concept behind ‘Paalam’ was to discuss the ragas handled by the MDs with the concerned MDs themselves as to what influenced them to compose in a particular raga for a particular song. I was very fortunate to be part of that team that I had a very close interaction with veterans like S V Venkataraman, S Rajeswara Rao, KVM, TKP, Vijayabhaskar (all were alive then), MSV, Shankar – Ganesh, Chandrabose, Gangai Amaran and even IR.
When it was VK’s turn, we took an appointment with him and went to his house (the same house). VK could not recognize me immediately as five years had passed since our last meeting. I reminded him the meetings and thanked him for all the help he did. My position in the team gave me the courage to ask VK this…why KB never called him after Arangetram when they both were very successful partners in many films….he wryly remarked, “he is a big businessman, he will be like that only”.
The team narrated him the concept. VK gave a patient hearing. He minced no words in giving his opinion on the concept…”indha conceptla enakku udanpaadu illai…ennai idhula sethukkaadheenga…idhai paththi naan onnum soldradhukku illai…mannichukkunga”…VK was very forthright in his views. I was taken aback but at the same time my admiration for VK grew up several times. The team did try to convince him but could not and returned.

That was VK!

Those whom Gods love die young!

[OISG]

தேனோடு கலந்த தெள்ளமுது...கோல நிலவோடு சேர்ந்த குளிர்த் தென்றல்..அன்னியன், அருமையான மலரும் நினைவுகள்.

[Murali Venkatraman]

அன்னியன்:

உங்கள் நினைவுகளைப் படிக்கும்போது ஒரு இனம் புரியாத வலி..ஒரு மகத்தான இசைக்கலைஞனின் புகழ் நன்கு அறியப்படாமலே போன வலி.

[naarayanan]

congratulations!!!!!!!!! dhool team.

whenever i googled a rare song, the search always fetched me dhool.com in its first 3 results. only 6 months back i started using net for other than mail purposes. and am a fan of dhool's extraordinary efforts for the past 6 months.

am proud to be just a reader of this forum.

[Lokesh]

That narrative was interesting, actually very interesting.
Thanks Anniyan alias R.S., thanks a lot.

[naarayanan]

lokesh, thanks for that info. i was wondering a bit when someone thanked anniyan for sundar's detailed post.

anniyan,

niraikudam thalumbaadhu!!! v.kumar oru niraikudam.

[Ragapravaham Sundar]

OISG,MS,Lokesh, Naarayanan,

Thanks for the responses.

[Saravanan]

Thank you for all the encouragement over the years!

Sundar, that was a moving account. Thank you.

[Cinema Virumbi]

Congratulations, Dhool Team!

At a personal level, Dhool (and the original tfmpage forum) only gave me a platform from mid 2002 to write on one of my major passions, slowly allowing me to gain the confidence that people do have the patience to at least give a cursory glance to my lines! Nowadays, I have a blog of my own, writing on assorted topics , in Tamil and in English on Tamil. I also post my views regularly in some of the popular Tamil blogs. Thank you Dhool!

As mentioned by Vengayam, the level of tolerance here is commendable! Not even by mistake, people here get into stereotyping of castes which is a bane of many Tamil blogs!

Manamaarntha VaazhththukkaL!

Cinema Virumbi

[Ramesh.P]

I have to say NANDRI KADAN for DHOOL . I would have missed RARE GEMS like ORU PAARVAI PARKUM BODHU(I think this song should be 1000th SOTD). There are so many SOTD of course with GREAT SARAVANAN writings. Thanks to dhool team Udhaya/BB and everyone.

Balaji/Anniyan/Ragapravham Ivanga elloram ore ALLA?

regards
ramesh

[iravupaadagan]

Congratulations to bb, ms, Saravanan, Udhaya and everyone associated with the dhool team! It is indeed an impressive landmark... Keep up the good work!

[Anniyan]

Saravanan,

VK family aware of happennings in dhool?

[sriramlak]

Great going bb and team !!! Congrats :)
Saravanan as usual in his elements. I have always felt that this song is an extension of "en kAthal kaNmaNi EthEthO ninaithhALO". No malice intended, good number and ofcourse, well sung :)
dhool.com udan uravu oru Ayiram kAlathhu payir endru niroobithhu vittAi bb :) reNdAyiram kAlathhu payir endru niroobikka vENdum. Well and truly a treasure trove of numbers that warm the cockles of our hearts. Good going !!!

[Saravanan]

Anniyan, I did talk to Mrs. Swarna a few weeks back. She remembered the song aattathin thalaivanum and even sang a few lines of it, including Saibaba's English lines! About Oraariyram, she said it was a big hit at the time. She was warm and gracious as always.

[Anniyan]

Saravanan,

Mikka nandri... Unnai nenaichaa inikkudhu.

[naarayanan]

hi all dhool fans and members,

i wanted to share this with you. this forum has very knowledgeable people. but there is no interaction between members. if i want to know any specific detail like 'in which movie is the song 'naan daane oru pudhu kavidhai' from?' or 'in which raga is sambo mahadeva from thiruvilaiyaadal?', am not able to contact or communicate with anyone in this forum.

i know i can get the answers from this forum, if only there is accesibility. people seem to visit only sotd. i dont think filling irrelevant details in a sotd wud be apposite, like this one. :(

shall we start a 'conference room' or 'chat room' thread?

can anyone come up with a better idea. the other day shri was telling me, she/he has not interacted with anyone in this forum. my gosh, and shri has contributed nearly 4000 posts in the lyrics section.

just a member's suggestion. please take it in the right spirit. thanks.

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I definitely second narayanan's suggestion. Need to add that I don't feel good seeing stats in the range of 804 Views, 4 Replies(incredibly dismal reading:posting ratio). Guess the process of logging in and clicking buttons to post is what's putting people off. [maybe bb can reward members with 1000+ posts with ipods :lol: ]

would suggest something like a sticky "Anything goes" thread where people can post tfm related queries which dont require a separate thread in itself.(Anything goes implies anything reasonable).
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[naarayanan]

hi *,

actually there is separate section for "off topic" and "suggestions". but the last post in those sections are in pre- independence era. that's why i was forced to select sotd for the above post.

even those sections can be revived if there is gud response. awaiting seniors' advice.